To Marius :-)

You miss anything,(french) people are rarely satisfied ^^

Bonsoir,

Il va de soit que stadium écrase tous les autres environnements et devrait être la seule et unique extension jouée en compétition. Les autres enviros sont bien évidemment des sous jeux créés pour des sous joueurs.

Cordialement

*sort le pop corn*

Je me disai bien que certain joueurs stadium n'avaient pas leurs place sur stadium justement , hien tRkr ^^ ta place est parmis nous ^^

Ma place est à la buvette en lan.

Damn it guys, keep comments in english since the article is written in english only...

Dat troll trkr <3

@minato: trkr simply says: Stadium > all
and grabs his popcorn box o.o

Gnagnagnah "speak english" blablablah, just fu*king learn french since we fuc*ing learnt english, dang... If you're interested in this very interesting conversation (yet useless since Nadeo doesn't give a *uck about the community's words) just try to translate by yourself o.o

I'm just wondering, does "downloadable from Steam" actually means we're gonna have to pay for it, again ? Maybe everyone already knows it and I'm not following anything but it's quite a pain in the as* to pay again for some new environment/game...

And where is the esport going after this ? Of course we didn't see anything on the Stadium 2 trailer mentioning the esport when Stadium is clearly made for it... I heard Mania Planet is setting up something so we, the players, could organize our competitions. But, well, I'm quite sure this will end up as a fail.

What about offline competitions ? Which environment, which game, which unlogical cashprize ? I just don't understand why there is so much money giving away for Shootmania since there are so many FPS games, and on the other hand there is TMNF without any acceptable cashprize but without any other game that could compete with it... Will it be the same for Valley ? This is so messy since Ubi came up...

Thank you to write in English if the article is in English ^_^

#27: Why do we French allways make true the prejudices that are detrimental to us abroad?

Nadeo explained since the beginning of ManiaPlanet that any environment would have a price. Those who followed from the beginning never expected Valley to be free. Anyway, if you don't want to waste money, don't buy it: Stadium is already more than enough and the rest is unnecessary.

And it's definitely too early to talk about esports. Maybe Valley will have a fully lucky gameplay, that will make it completely unworthy for such events. And i think Nadeo shouldn't give too much money to esports, which creates too many mollycoddled children. Guys such as Frostbeule will hardly help Nadeo to succeed.

#18 : Enfin un message constructif ! Je ne souhaite rien de moins qu'une réussite aux exD. S'ils y arrivent, ils auront apporté beaucoup au jeu et comblé sa plus grosse lacune. Je suis assez d'accord aussi avec ton analyse des "communautarismes" sur TM et les stratégies de Nadeo sont souvent pour le moins obscures...

#16 : Le problème, c'est que tes messages précédents laissaient croire exactement le contraire : "Pourquoi laisser les gens jouer leurs enviros préférés alors qu'on devrait bien pouvoir les forcer à jouer un jeu qu'ils n'aiment pas ?" (ce qui ne peut pas marcher, par ailleurs).

Et sinon il y a des rageux partout et de plus en plus sur TM, malheureusement.

I personally think Stadium would be more suited for the "official tournaments", same with canyon. Valley will be less competive since the Stadium is missing.

Still can't wait for it ;)

#27: I learned french and I can understand what you guys are discussing. ANYWAYS, there are also - let's say - some guys who learned English to perform the right way of browsing and discussing in the Internet. French is a beautiful language, but it just makes you look like potatoeheads when you use it in front of a non-french crowd. How would you react if I start speaking german to another guy infront of you? ;)

-no offense. All rights and lefts reserved-

And it's definitely too early to talk about esports. Maybe Valley will have a fully lucky gameplay, that will make it completely unworthy for such events. And i think Nadeo shouldn't give too much money to esports, which creates too many mollycoddled children. Guys such as Frostbeule will hardly help Nadeo to succeed.

Nadeo gave money to TrackMania in eSports? That's news to me.

Really don't understand what you're trying to say here about me. But feel free to elaborate your thoughts (in English please if you can).

I don't know much about the Trackmania eSports scene but I'm pretty sure Ubisoft doesn't give a shit about eSports and doesn't help their games grow or attract more competitors.

If I'm wrong, bash me hard.

#31 I didn't say Nadeo gave money to Trackmania in eSports. It was rather about your behaviour when it comes to endless threads with (against?) Hylis, which give a rather bad opinion about both the game and the community. Also, the professional eSport creates a kind of community that is rather focused on money and that expect much on Nadeo (even the Shootmania players, who already got a lot, ask for more).

#33 You did kinda say that though, or you just wrote poorly. Why else mention me (that is a TM player) in the sentence.

You've seem to have got the wrong idea of me. I'm very grass-roots oriented and have always been, not just in TrackMania. I completely understand the importance of building up and supporting a solid community which is why I do all the things that I do such as streaming and casting matches, writing news both here on Mania-Actu and ingame (when Nadeo decides to accept them that is which they didn't the last time I tried to submit one...) and with all the advertisement I do on Twitter and Facebook. I also am involved with something called "TrackMania Versus" which aims to post streams and relays to TrackMania-matches on Facebook, and lastly I've been an admin for several tournaments in the past. I think I can even be bold enough to say that there are very few individuals that do more than me when it comes to community-oriented work.

So I do a lot besides talking endlessly to Hylis (which sadly is rather pointless and I do regret spending all that time doing it because it has led to absolutely nothing).

#29-30 Why can't you guys understand trolling ? I'm sorry rom42 I forgot you know me so well, indeed I'm so French :/
Well if you start talking in your native language in front of me I'd think that it doesn't concern me so I wouldn't mind. Also if it's worth the interest I'd try to translate it by myself before begging everyone to speak so I can understand without even trying to get some words and catch the sense of your sentences. That's just a matter of curiosity.
But keep calm, the news is written in English so the logic would apply for the comments aswell :)
Btw, I love potatoes !

With TMUF we didn't have to pay each environment the moment they went out, one game with all the environment, with one price. That's just the way Ubisoft is making business that I find disappointing. And yes it splits the communities even more, no one really knows each other from Stadium to United to Canyon and soon to Valley and no one makes the effort, except those like the exD seem to care and move.

EDIT : #33 And oh yeah, why promoting Shootmania so much while it was still on beta, totally agreed ? The players will just get frustrated because cashprices will descrease as time goes...

Silver écrit: "Le responsable principal c'est Nadeo dans l'histoire, au lieu d'attendre de tout sortir en même temps, ils ont eu cette stratégie de "titre" qui scindent les communautés."

// tRkr style: ^_^: on
Mais oui, on est vraiment bête. On aurait du attendre encore qu'un prochain enviro soit prêt pour tout sortir. Désolé, j'y avais pas pensé et je pense que les joueurs auraient été vraiment plus contents.
// tRkr style: ^_^: off

Franchement, même sur un truc aussi évident, j'aurai du mal à ce que Silver reconnaisse que c'était peut-être une accusation un peu légère de sa part.

petit quizz pour la route, qui a écrit?
"you should just focus all things esports on just stadium."

on dirait presque du tRkr ^_^ Mais qu'il se rassure le mec, le temps passé à discuté à servi à quelque chose, même si c'est à l'effet opposé qu'il recherchait, puisque plutôt que je fasse partie d'un groupe qui mettrait à la poubelle tout ceux qui souhaiteraient autre chose, je suis plutôt parti sur le terrain de défendre la diversité et ceux qui la représentent.

Je pense que Stadium redeviendra grand si et seulement si ses joueurs les plus actifs arrivent à s'intégrer au reste, en lui apportant des choses, et en recevant des choses. Nous avons travaillé à son intégration à Maniaplanet pour cela, et cela lui donne un avenir bien plus grand que son isolation. Ceux qui ont essayé de se désolidariser plusieurs fois sont ceux qui ont fait le plus de tord à l'enviro. Et je pense qu'ils le savent très bien, surtout quand d'autres souhaiteraient les isoler. Je défendrai Stadium, Canyon, Valley et Storm, en leur donnant une chance d'exister. Stadium a eu sa mise à jour, il a son prix, Valley a sa sortie, Canyon aura sa démo en premier sur Trackmania probablement. Storm, qui est tout seul à côté de trois TM, Nations et United, aura encore des mises à jour et aussi sa demo. Bref, on essaye d'apporter un Maniaplanet dans le bon esprit de TMO, ou certains faisaient que du Rallye et d'autres du multi enviro, dans la joie et la bonne humeur, avec personne qui critiquait les agissements des uns et des autres. Je ne sais pas si c'est le cashprize qui a créé ce changement, mais si c'est le cas, vous devez savoir que vous y avez perdu beaucoup au change.

Hylis is the biggest troll, after everybody agreeing about using English he comes with a long French opinion :D

Anyway, I hope that Valley IS NOT suitable for eSports. Stadium and Canyon fit to them well due to their special physics imo. If Valley does, why didn't coast, island, bay, rally, desert and island fit? I just hope that all of you could be happy with that we have soon 9 good environments to build and drive for fun, and 2 to drive professionally.

Don't be so serious about all, all the time ^^

Il est bien évident que le français est la langue supérieure. Je tiens à exprimer ma gratitude envers l'équipe de Nadeo qui ont travaillé dur et fait de si grands matchs au cours des dernières années.

Valley semble définitivement être un environnement amusant, mais Stadium sera toujours le titre E-sport pour moi.

Tu as raison Zink , je pense aussi que Stadium sera toujours le titre E-sport

Je pense également que sortir les 3 enviros en même temps aurait été plus judicieux , c'est mon avis .

J'ai hâte de pouvoir y jouer en tout cas ;-)

SICK ZNIK xD